
I came across the following on the Colon Club discussion forum – a list of seven things you shouldn’t say to people with cancer. I thought it was pretty good, though some don’t really apply to me. And I’ve added a couple more at the end.
Hearing that a loved one has been diagnosed with cancer can cause anyone to be anxious. You begin to think about all the right things to say in your anxiety and oftentimes end up saying the worst. Although the objective is not to cause harm to this person, ultimately you can, with your words, end up doing just that and cause your loved one to plunge further into depression. No doubt hearing that “C” word turns a lot of us into fools, but if you find yourself in a position where a family member or friend has revealed that they have cancer, here are some things you might not want to say. . .
- Save the horror stories. Now is not the time to remind your relative of uncle Ben’s battle with cancer which later resulted in death. You would think that common sense would dictate that a cancer patient does not need to be given all the excruciating, miserable and awful details of a friend’s or relative’s battle with cancer. Yes we know, you just want to be supportive and cheer the person up, but you need to find a better way to do so. Don’t help them remember how many persons die from it every year either.
- Don’t promise your help if you won’t give it. The line “If there is anything I can do, don’t be afraid to tell me”, comes readily to some persons as soon as they hear that a friend or family member has been diagnosed with cancer. The reality is that some persons don’t mean it and so when the request is made for help, this becomes so obvious. Don’t promise your assistance if you don’t intend to stand by your word.
- Don’t say you know what it’s like. If you were never in a position where you had cancer, then you have absolutely no idea what it is like. It is best to say you can imagine what it is like instead; that’s much safer.
- Don’t tell them they should be grateful. One of the worst things you can say to a cancer patient is, “You should be grateful, at least you are not dead”. When someone is going through the kind of pain and suffering that accompanies breast cancer, don’t tell them that they should be thanking God for it.
- Don’t say they shouldn’t be sad. Although you may be getting tired of seeing them moping, don’t tell them they shouldn’t be sad. They have a right to feel however they want to, since they are the ones going through it. It is better to tell them you don’t like seeing them that way instead.
- Don’t say this is just a bump in the road. You can always avoid a bump in the road, but you can hardly ever avoid cancer. Losing one’s hair, body parts, getting chemotherapy, having hot flashes and feeling very anxious and insecure at times, is not necessarily a bump, it is more like a mountain.
- Don’t say they’ll be just fine. You are not in a position to guarantee this. Telling them not to worry about their situation might seem that you are giving them the brush off. It could be interpreted to mean that you cannot be bothered with their fears.
The worst one of these for me has been number 2. I had an awful experience with someone just after I received the first prognosis and kind of fell apart. Not only did this person who had promised to “be there” for me walk away without a word of explanation, they also cut off all contact with me. It was even more hurtful than my family not being there for me (other than Joe & Olivia) because they had never promised me anything and I hadn’t expected them to. I have since been very careful that nobody but Nog ever sees me “scarily needy & vulnerable”. Heck, I won’t even cry in front of anyone except Nog & Pipocas anymore, and I try not to as much as I can.Β But sometimes it’s good to have a safe place to cry, you know?
Re: number 1. I think sometimes people just can’t help themselves. But it really doesn’t help. And curiously, neither do the happy ending stories.
Re: number 3. I would add that unless someone’s cancer was actually life-threatening and they have gone through the horrors of chemo that they should also refrain from saying they know what it’s like.
Re: numbers 4 & 5. Nobody has been so crass as to say this to me and I hope noone ever will.
Re: number 6. I haven’t actually had anyone say exactly that, though many have referred to what I’m going through as a “journey”. Just. Don’t. Okay?
Re: number 7. I’ve finally weaned Nog off this one. Now he says other stuff. It’s much better.
I would add … please don’t tell me I’m being brave. You don’t know what I’m feeling. If there were any other option I’d take it! I’m actually scared out of my wits most of the time.
And as I’ve already mentioned here … please take off the kid gloves. I had a friend email me the other day saying that she hoped her humour was okay. Good grief – I’m not dead yet! And often the most irreverent sounding jokes make me laugh the most. Like the other day after the second prognosis when I was talking about maybe dying soon and Pablo said that he & Nog weren’t that lucky.Β Β π
Anyhow, I think all of you have not only done very well at knowing what not to say,Β you also do very well at knowing just what to say. I know I’m often at a loss for words in situations like this myself, so I admire that in you. And in the end it’s not so much what is said, it’s that you keep showing up here and keep me company.
Thanks, guys. 
The same list applies to those of us with depression, esp. 4 – 6.
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Re: Depression… and #7
Nothing makes things worse better than “You’ll be fine” or “Things will look better in the morning”….. It could be but “tomorrow morning” is a long way off for someone who is depressed… and you need holding NOW!
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Well, crap! That was a useful list!!
One of my pet peeves in ‘regular’ life is “I know how you feel” — I just want to yell at these people, “NO YOU DON’T!” (Even my hangnails are different than yours! Okay, maybe a bit extreme… π )
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The list applies to a lot of conditions, not just cancer and depression. I hope I haven’t been too bad by telling my experiences with other people. I hope it wasn’t horror stories. And if it was, I hope you will forgive me.
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I guess that’s why I start out saying I’m at a loss for words and then go raving on about all sorts of stuff.
I have way too many clients who have gone through cancer or depression or have other fatal degenerative diseases, or have relatives in those situations. I am so grateful that you have posted this list and I intend to print it out and post it somewhere where I can study it and memorize it so that when I am dealing with those people I can avoid screwing up totally.
I honestly don’t understand how anyone could tell someone they should be grateful that they have cancer (or any serious and frequently fatal disease) because they aren’t dead. Do they have no conception of how horrid that sort of dying can be?
I wish there was more I could do for you. I feel very frustrated by the fact that I am on the opposite side of the ocean where I don’t have the power to do anything more than come here, read your wonderful posts, comment, and send you money when I have extra. Damn. Virtual hug being sent.
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thanks for the list….i think no one should question humour or be reluctant to make you laugh. being able to laugh should not be frowned upon. i know u being sick is quite serious but id rather make you laugh than feel inadequate & helpless while ur sad. now i just wish i had a funny joke to place here, but im kinda lame in that area*sigh*
with that im off 2 buy aluminum foil. for some reason i cant find any in this darn place ;p
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Aluminum foil? Hopefully not to put it on your head? π That’s hardly going to help her!
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My favorites were “oh, like, this one time I was sick, I thought I was dying and it hurt so badly to know I wouldn’t see my friends again and then it turned out it was just a hangnail.” Or words to that effect, and stupid people DO say those things.
Or the “friend” who asked me, most sincerely, “What have you done to bring this into your life?”
I replied, “I choose unsupportive friends.”
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I may not have much to say – I really don’t have the words, and we don’t know each other well enough.
But I will be here to keep you company, that’s a promise, and one I will keep.
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hey lori…. can we see a picture of those hangnails?
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“Do they have no conception of how horrid that sort of dying can be?”
Umm… you’re doing it again, hmh. π
Yes, I’m kidding. And that goes for you too, Silverstar. Like I said, I think people kind of can’t help themselves. It’s as if they are trying to find some way of relating to their friend’s fear and suffering, and the closest thing they can find is someone else’s experience. So, there is nothing to forgive, okay?
Yeah, I think the list works for depression and other ‘scary illnesses’ that most people can’t really understand unless they’ve gone through it themselves, Anneke and WC. It’s basically common sense, which sometimes goes out the window when people get nervous and uncomfortable.
βWhat have you done to bring this into your life?β
Great reply to such an asinine question, Rain. People like that really shouldn’t be let out without a keeper. Or a wide strip of duct tape across their vile yaps.
Aluminum foil, DKL? I told him that tinfoil hats would only enhance reception and then they could control his brain! Or was it for Thanksgiving leftovers? And where the hell do you buy aluminum foil after midnight over there?
Perhaps a touch extreme, Lori. But don’t worry, I know how you feel. π And nursemyra is right – photo evidence would be interesting.
“But I will be here to keep you company, thatβs a promise, and one I will keep.”
Thanks dude. π
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Wot? No “That’s just God’s way of xxxxx” on the list? π
Or the awful “everything happens for a reason” Yuk.
When my best friend’s father was dying of bladder cancer last year, I did the “anything I can do to help..” line. And when she asked to borrow my car on one of her increasingly frequent visits home I didn’t hesitate to stick her on the insurance. And I was delighted to be able to do something so practical and useful!
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In regards to “what have you done to bring this into your life”, there are people who completely believe that you create your own reality, including your health issues. In fact, there are entire books written on this subject! Books that identify every conceivable illness and every organ with attitudes and emotions, and then offer you suggestions of mantras or affirmations you can say that will help you heal your illness or solve any problem.
I’m not sure I buy all that stuff although it makes a lot of sense sometimes. I have seen in my practice so many many times that there does seem to be a correlation between situations that people are experiencing and the health issue that has cropped up for them that it makes me wonder sometimes. (for example, a gal who was in an abusive relationship and felt trapped there, couldn’t start the move to leave started having knee and foot pain. when she finally got the courage to leave the bastard her pains went away) However, I stop short of asking them that sort of question. It is not helpful, if they are not on that page it won’t make them change and will only make them feel more hopeless and out of control. It smells of “blaming the victim”.
I will add here that I do believe in using affirmations. One of mine is “There is always more than enough money”. The more I say it, the more it seems to be true in my life. I don’t know if this is because it actually helps move the universal energy towards bringing in the money in time, or because it subtly adjusts my attitudes about how much money I need at a certain time. It doesn’t hurt me to say it, though, so I continue to do so.
Besides, I think that people who are ill are probably already pondering enough questions without having that one added to it. On the other hand, the people who lived near Love Canal and were getting cancer at a rate far higher than should have been happening naturally started asking “What have you (the polluting company) done to bring this into our lives?” and asked it so effectively and loudly that they actually won a lawsuit against the perpetrators and forced clean up and reparations. And it is true that there are carcinogens out there that it is a good idea to avoid in our lifestyles whenever possible. So it isn’t always a bad question in certain circumstances.
Sometimes I think that people just open their mouths and blather whatever idiocy pops into their heads without thinking about exactly what it is they have said. In some twisted way they think they are helping. And if you are a person who has studied Louise Hay’s book on healing your own illnesses, you probably do think asking the question above is helpful, because in their book, if you identify the attitude or emotion, you can then start saying the affirmations and thereby start helping to heal yourself. They see it as helpful.
I think it is on the same order as the very religious people who will tell an atheist that they should start praying and get themselves back into a state of grace. The poor schmuck just cannot conceive of a worldview that does not include their Deity. Or the christians who believe their method of worship is so much more real or better than the person who is Jewish or talks to Allah. As if an omnipotent omniscient entity could not understand the different ways and languages being used to worship it. Why don’t you just put limits on your omnipotent God? Duh.
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Meanwhile, you wanted jokes, and I apologise in advance for cutting and pasting this one I got today….
” When you have an ‘I Hate My Job day’ … try this out: On your way home from work, stop at your pharmacy and go to the thermometer section and purchase a rectal thermometer made by Johnson & Johnson. Be very sure you get this brand. When you get home, lock your doors, draw the curtains and disconnect the phone so you will not be disturbed. Change into very comfortable clothing and sit in your favorite chair. Open the package and remove the thermometer. Now, carefully place it on a table or a surface so that it will not become chipped or broken. Now the fun part begins. Take out the literature from the box and read it
carefully. You will notice that in small print there is a statement:
‘Every Rectal Thermometer made by Johnson & Johnson is personally tested and then sanitized. ‘
Now, close your eyes and repeat out loud five times, ‘I am so glad I do not work in the thermometer quality control
department at Johnson &Johnson.’
HAVE A NICE DAY; AND REMEMBER, THERE IS ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSE WITH A JOB THAT IS A BIGGER PAIN IN THE ASS THAN YOURS”
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Is saying the wrong thing better than saying nothing at all? It depends, I suppose.
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And the tar baby, he just said nothing at all. π
A new bit of Adam Buxton lunacy, and one I think you’ll like given how you feel about the Papacy;
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ9sJVJMiYM
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How to annoy a cervical cancer patient: ‘Oh, you’ve got the same one as Jade Goody’. No. She has the same one as ME. I had it first. Honestly, the breast cancer girls get Brave Kylie (TM) as their poster girl. Who do we poor cervical cancer schmucks get? a loudmouth rascist essex girl who’s most famous for getting her lady bits out on Big Brother for all the nation to see. It’s enough to make me metastasise, I tell you!
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I get Sharon Osbourne. Way cooler! π
Sharon Osbourne Cancer Program
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Mmm. Much classier. Honestly. :snigger:
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Well, it wouldn’t take much …
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It smells of βblaming the victimβ.
Yes it does, hmh. Which is why I’m so against that crap. I have an illness. I’ve been told it’s terminal. Sure, I might live another ten years, or I might be dead by Christmas. I am going to try and collect as much information as possible before my next oncology appointment, as well as speak to Ricardo (from The Team), to find out if my options really are as limited as I’ve been told. And then deal with whatever I learn. If other people think eating papaya or chanting mantras or visualising their tumours shrinking is going to help them, then good for them. Thing is, I’m neither optimistic or pessimistic about all this. I mostly just feel like I have no idea what’s really going on. And I want to change that situation as much as I can.
That was an awful joke, Linda. Thanks! π
“Is saying the wrong thing better than saying nothing at all? It depends, I suppose.”
It totally depends on the people saying it, TRiG. I’ve heard the right thing said by the wrong person and it was way worse than the other way round.
Blues, that was hilarious! I think they heard me laughing at Las Columnas.
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I think I’m probably one of the people who inadvertently says the wrong things – not just in this kind of situation, but in most situations. Sometimes I actually wonder if my brain and my mouth are properly connected…
My intentions are good, though. And I think maybe that half the time people say things like “You’ll be okay” is because that’s what they want to believe because they love you, and because they’re secretly superstitious (we all are – I think its genetically programmed into us from our distant scary cavey past) and don’t want to anticipate outcomes other than good ones, even in speech or thought.
Having said that, I was suicidally depressed for a number of years, and well-intentioned people saying either variants of “You can heal yourself without drugs” and/or “At least you haven’t got x” was about as helpful as slapping me in the face with a wet fish. A wet, spiny, venomous fish rolled in stinging nettles and liberally sprinkled with pepper.
One last thing: I think the very definition of bravery is that you carry on despite being shit-scared. Not being scared is just ignorance or fool-hardiness, not bravery. And I don’t think tears are incompatible with bravery either.
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Not too many years ago, the general consensus was that major illnesses were the result of your sins…. And I don’t mean somewhere back in the dark ages.
I recall reading a book by the mother of a Down Syndrome child who was in the waiting room and a woman turned to her and said “You must have done something very wrong for God to punish you this way…” This was some time in the 1960s.
I’d have smacked that woman, had she said it to me.
I once had to listen to some 20-somethings talk loudly on the bus about how they thought it was stupid that people who have miscarriages seem to think they “deserve” to have children, how “obviously” they weren’t “meant to have children” and how they should “get over it”.
I was so angry I wanted to go over and punch one of them in the face…. Instead, I just went home and had a good cry.
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Well that’s me buggered. π
I don’t have much to say unless it’s a tasteless joke or advice. I’ve weaned myself off being the “helper’ who tried to fix my ex’s bipolar so I imagine if you just keep me gently drunk I’ll just tell the jokes. But then …. you hate my jokes! π (Nog, you and I might have a boy’s night out or two).
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I get Mark Messier as my cancer poster boy. Try living up to that! My father told me he confidently expected that a year after treatment I’d be the top scorer in the NHL. No pressure, eh!
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hey Az – at least it’s not anal cancer. then you’d have farah fawcett majors as your poster gal π
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At least the lackof a Y chromosome prevents me from having what Lance Armstrong was initially diagnosed with. Then I’d feel REALLY inadequate. Thousands of men who feel like shit and just want to sit on the sofa watching sport must get told ‘well Lance was on his 5th Tour by now….’. He has a lot to answer for.
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what do you call a man with leaves up his jumper?
Russell!
Its the only joke I know and amazingly it makes me laugh, despite my run in lately with man named Russell who shall hence forth be ignored.
I find it astonishing what people will say to others who are facing situations that are beyond catastrophic. I know I don’t know you feel and I sure as hell don’t think you have to be grateful for anything to do with this vicious (reminds me of viscous chickens! it was you I shared that idiotic word play with wasn’t it?? or was that cutlery worship??) disease. You should be sad if that’s how you feel, and you will feel it, and then sometimes you won’t. Its bollocks and crap and I am so angry with the universe for sending this your way. The only thing I really know a little about is what its like for Nog. If it helps at all, and given that I don’t actually know him I may be taking liberties here, I would say that he would rather be there, with you, with all the risks that that involves for you both, than not. I hope that that gives you some strength. You need strength and you need humour. I am at my keyboard with both (ok – jokes are crap but hey) and sending them your way.
Fat lady still not singing and is anyway gagged til further notice, but not losing any more weight – misery over for now so am eating again dammit.
I am going to try and get over to visit in November – let me know your chemo regime etc and we will work around it.
L.xxxxxxx
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I read your response to my comment above, and I just have to give you this information that came across my path yesterday. I got my copy of Ode magazine yesterday and there was an article by/about a French psychiatrist and neurologist (who had a brain tumor) and a book he has written on his experiences with cancer and how you can support your immune system in such a way that it helps you fight cancer. The Book: Anticancer: A New Way of Life (Published by Viking) by David Servan-Schreiber. In your quest for information you might want to peruse this book. This guy has done SCIENTIFICALLY BASED research that indicates that some of the things you (rather sarcastically) mention people doing to help fight cancer actually do work.
One of the things I truly respect about this guy is that nowhere in his article or book does he hold the position that you can “just” use NewAgey stuff to cure cancer.
He totally is on board with using the western medicine modalities that are available to us. A direct quote fro the article: “I recieved conventional treatment because it must be stated at the outset that to date, there’s no alternative approach to cancer that can cure the illness. It’s completely unreasonable to try to cure cancer without the bst of conventional Western medicine: surgery, chemotheraphy, radiotheraphy, immunotherapy and soon, molecular genetics.
At the same time, it’s unreasonable to rely on the purely technical approach and neglect the natural capacity of our bodies to protect against tumors. ”
He also goes on to emphasize that there ARE things that we can do to help avoid and fight cancer. These suggestions are things that he came up with by doing research of actual scientific studies during and after his fight with cancer.
“It took me months of research to begin to understand how I could help my body protect itself from cancer I participated in conferences in the US and Europe that brought together researchers exploring treatments that work with the “terrain” as they address the disease. I scoured medical databases and combed scientific publications. I soon perceived that the available information was often incomplete and widely dispersed It only took on its full meaning when it was combined.”
His book no doubt goes into a lot more detail. But the article in Ode had a page with bullet points of things one can do to support the path towards healing.
Mental State: Be positive. Resolve stress and past traumas. Accept yourself and your emotions including the negative ones. Practice meditation, yoga, tai chi or some other form of relaxation.
Diet: These vegetables have great cancer fighting characteristics: beets, brussels sprouts, cabbage, garlic, kale, leeks and scallions,. Also good are onions, blueberries, raspberries, cherries, red wine (I like that one!) and soy. Increase your intake of omega-3s, typically found in fish, flax seeds and oils. Avoid sugar, white flour, vegetable oils, white rice and non-organic animal fat. Filter your tap water.
Activity: Spend 20-30 minutes a day on a physical activity like tennis, swimming, or walking. Be out int the sun for 20 minutes every day.
And: Avoid being surrounded by people who smoke. Use cosmetic products that don’t contain parabens or phthalates. Use skin care products without estrogens or placental by-products. Use cleaning products without synthetic chemicals. Don’t prepare food in a scratched Teflon pan. Reduce the influence of cell phones by using a headset consistently.
Final point he made in the interview with Ode: What’s the most important thing a person can do to prevent of fight cancer? “That’s a very tough question. I think most important is to take a little bit of time every day–maybe just five minutes— with yourself to listen to the life force in yourself, pay attention to it, nurture it and express your gratitude to it. Taking your life seriously is difficult, because we’re not trained to express love for ourselves. But if you can’t take just fie minutes for yourself, I doubt you will be capable of changing your diet or changing your exercise pattern, because you’re not going to feel you’re worth it. connecting to the life force inside you will help you face challenges and treat yourself better. Expressing this radical act of love is the step that leads to all other steps.”
I know this is a long comment, but I believe you when you say you are looking for information, and I felt that it was quite a wonderful confluence that this magazine with this article arrived the very day that I was reading this set of posts. In your position, your very life hanging in the balance, information is power. One of the quotes I loved the best was this: “Moving patients out of hopelessness is crucial.”
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If you want to read the article it is in the November issue of Ode Magazine, possibly available in newstands in Sevilla. Ode is available on line at odemagazine.com/zinio
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Superb video, Blues. Absolute class.
It’s been implied already, but surely “be grateful …” and “don’t be sad” are the mindless blatherings of the sorts of Christians one tends not to find on the right of the Atlantic? It’s not something I can imagine an atheist or humanist saying.
This of course is where peoples’ world views ram hard up against each other. Is it one of those irregular verbs:
I offer spiritual comfort
You mouth well-meaning platitudes
She comes out with self-referential delusions
It’s hard. You are someone who stares reality in the face and dares it to blink first. Someone else may be comforted by the its a journey / there’s always a reason / rub in rose-oil stuff.
I had more to say, but it’s eluded me.
Aphra.
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I’ve seen that book (Spanish translation) at Fnac, hmh. It seems to be very popular at the moment. Sounds like good common sense to me. I’ll put it on my Amazon wish list.
Nog shares your definition of bravery, truce, and is always telling me that being afraid and being brave aren’t necessarily contradictory. It’s just that I don’t feel particularly brave, you know?
Yes, “viscous chickens” was ours, Lizzie. Ha! Haven’t thought of that one for a long time. The Russell joke was pretty good too. π
And I still think I’ve got the best cancer poster person…
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I fully believe that each person has to find their OWN way through the cancer jungle. Being told to take 20 minutes exercise every day (he did HAVE chemo, right?), eat only certain organic veg (when the only food item I could keep in /down was jellybeans) and take 5 to ‘love myself’ would have resulted in a black eye for the bearer of such information where I’d punched them.
Does he realise how wearying trying to be positive when it’s the last thing you want to do actually is? I prefered to reserve my mental energy for just trying to get out of bed every day.
Then again, I’m a scientist. I put my faith lock stock and barrel in medical science to help me through, and they did (so far).
If his approach worked for him, then that’s great, hmh, just saying it wouldn’t have worked for me at all. It’s not the only way.
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Sara, I thought I made it perfectly clear that this doctor was not suggesting that his approach was the only way to deal with cancer. If you read the quote I had up there, he absolutely states clearly and succinctly that you MUST use the western modalities available to deal with active tumors.
Perhaps I was not totally clear when I was posting the list of suggestions this doctor was making. This was a list of suggestions of how to support your immune system in such a way that you could prevent cancer from taking hold in your system in the first place. And to help you fight it while you were in the process of the healing phase.
The man is a doctor and a scientist. His suggestions are based on SCIENCE and RESEARCH. I wish people would stop making assumptions that suggestions about attitude and nutrition are not based on science.
and yes, he had cancer, he went through chemotherapy and radiation.
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Also, Sara, he does not say to eat “only” certain vegetables and fruits. He points out that these are things that are known to fight cancer and support the immune system. If all you can eat are jellybeans at a certain time, then for God’s sake, eat them at that time. When you can tolerate other stuff, then try to have those things that will support your health in you diet.
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Can you point me to any of his peer reviewed scientific journal articles, please , hmh? I’d like to see what he has to say for myself.
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How about if you get the book and read it. All I’m doing is reporting on an article I read. I haven’t read it yet, but I sure will as soon as I can get it from amazon.
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Any idiot can publish his opinions in a book if they have the wherewithall. Hitler published Mein Kampf. Doesn’t mean I’m going to go an invade Poland on the strenth of it. What I’m talking about is SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH (your capitals), reviewed by his peers, published in a scientific journal.
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Excuse me. You might just want to take a couple of minutes to visit amazon.com and check out the index of this man’s book. Frankly, I find it interesting that you are so happy to describe a man who is a psychiatrist and a neurosurgeon as an idiot.
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I don’t recall describing this man as an idiot. I said *any* idiot. I do however worry that he is peddling what is no more than common sense as scientific research.
Eating healthily and getting a moderate amount of excercise will help your immune system? Well, geee. Inform the Nobel prize committee immediately. I’m astounded.
Where’s Ben Goldacre when you need him?
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Well it all looks like reasonable advice for pretty much anyone at anytime. However, Orac seems doubtful as to whether it’s anything more than that.
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Too fast on the “post” button again. Seems to be happening a lot this week …
… Orac is pretty hard on the Tribune columnist, but I think he assesses Servan-Schreiber fairly.
I originally wanted to say thanks for this etiquette guide. And that I hope I never have to use it.
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Holy moly! A big time DEBATE going on here in my absence … boy, turn my back for two minutes … π
I reckon that a book like this falls under the category of “can’t hurt, might help”, unless of course someone put all their faith into it and ignored scientific and medical help. I also agree that it all sounds like a few basic common sense rules stretched out to create a best-seller.
There is no logic to cancer. Some people get better in spite of the odds and their lifestyles; others who live squeaky-clean healthy lives (Linda McCartney springs to mind) end up not making it.
I have read that peritoneal cancer is notorious for not responding to any chemo treatment. Yet on the Colon Club forum a woman wrote about her husband who surprised all the doctors when his peritoneal tumours disappeared. It seems to me that there is always a story to fit any situation (and back up any personal belief) if you look hard enough for it.
So, while I understand why hmh is making a point about some of this doctor’s opinions being valid to a certain extent, I also understand why Sara would think it’s a bunch of hooey.
I was only on chemo for two months. If I’m “lucky” I’ll end up on it again for a much longer period of time (6-8 months). I say “lucky” because the alternative is that no treatment will make any difference and then it’s tits up for me.
The longer you are on chemo the harder it gets, at least for most people I’ve talked to and read about. Sometimes it feels like the treatment is far worse than the illness. I can vouch for that myself because, other than the week before my emergency op in May to remove the intestinal block, the only times I’ve felt sick have been after the two operations and during chemo. If they’d told me after the first operation that there was nothing wrong with me then I’d have believed them because I have no ill-health symptoms.
What if I get better? Shall I then write a book based on the way I lived while I was on/off chemo, etc and become a best-selling millionaire? Hell, why not?
For my part, I’m trying to get as much information as I can to at least make choices that are based on a certain level of ‘evidence’ that makes sense to me. Reading the debate here has been quite helpful.
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You could do worse than write a best selling book! think of the income.
I was minded of Voltaire’s statement (from the Diccionaire Philosphique [probably spelled wrong]): Common sense is not common. Ben Franklin paraphrased it as “The trouble with common sense is it really isn’t all that common.” I think I like Voltaire’s version better, actually. It is so succinct.
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I have to admit that I am a sucker for a good debate. I now have the book we are discussing in hand.
Perhaps the way it has been excerpted (by Ode) and reviewed (by me) makes this book appear to be, as you said “a few basic common sense rules stretched out to create a best-seller.”
the difference here appears to be that this author actually has been doing research (by which I mean in the sense that he has gone to the library and looked for information in the peer reviewed scientific journals). In between the body of the book and the index, there are 28 pages of notes. He is not citing books by Andrew Weill or anecdote based findings from Prevention magazine. He is citing articles from the Journal of Cancer Research, the Journal of the National Cancer Insititute, British Journal of Cancer, The Lancet, Brain Behavior and Immunity, New England Journal of Medicine, etc etc. There are titles like “An Earlier Age of Breast Cancer Diagnosis Related to More Frequent Use of Antiperspirants/Deodorants and Underarm Shaving,” from the European Journal of Cancer Prevention. I’ll bet I could read that one and understand it, but the “Regulation of Tumor Angiogenesis by Dietary Fatty Acids and Eicosanoids,” from Nutrition and Cancer, or “Stress-Associated Immune Dysregulation and Its Importance for Human Health: A Personal History of Psychoneuroimmunology” found in a journal called Brain Behavior and Immunity 19 might be beyond me. And the ones he cites that are written in French are completely unreadable for me.
I never knew there was such a field as psychoneuroimmunology. Egads.
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