
Nog and I met on h2g2 on March 2, 2003 (his 50th birthday), when he showed up on my h2g2 personal page to offer me a bit of advice – I had just recently joined and clearly hadn’t quite got the hang of the place yet. A year and a half later we met for the first time in person and, after Nog spent a month’s holiday here in Sevilla, we decided to take the plunge and embark on a living-together relationship, beginning in September 2004.
Every September on the equinox we’ve renewed our vows, with each year bringing new variations. And this past September was no different, except the vows actually changed quite a lot, with the emphasis on friendship for this year. And while we are still sticking to those vows, we have also started to ‘let go’ of some of the other stuff. We weren’t really sure at first which way the new friendship vows would take us, but it turns out that we both feel more like ourselves being friends, rather than trying to maintain an intimate capital R relationship. Had things been different when we first met in person we might have discovered this before moving in together, but it didn’t make sense for Nog to move here from the UK and have to get his own flat. In any case, we don’t actually wish it had been different because the way we bonded by living together straight away was very special and not something that happens every day.
One of the things that kept us from honestly looking at and admitting to how the Relationship thang wasn’t really working for us (until last September) was that we do actually love each other very much. We’re also great at sharing a home together. We know each other practically inside-out – and still like spending time together – and we also share a lot of common interests.
We didn’t want to lose any of that by ‘splitting up’, but we also didn’t want to become one of those complacent couples who ‘settle’ for a comfy and unchallenging life together just because it’s better than being alone. So we’ve decided to do neither of those things and instead let our Relationship develop into the very deep and real friendship we think it was probably always meant to be, without other expectations attached to it. Which means no dramatic and messy all-or-nothing break-up, and that we can keep sharing casa az together (each with our own room now) and continue to share our lives, being there for each other and having a dear friend close by. It just didn’t make sense to throw the baby out with the bath water, you know?
And yeah, we have thought about what happens if either of us meets someone else. But though it feels good to have that option open to us again, we don’t see that happening in the very near future, so we’ll just deal with that if/when it happens.
Nog & I wanted to take a bit of time to get used to the idea ourselves before ‘going public’, to see how things were going to work out – mostly because we didn’t want it to sound like a negative change. And now we can honestly say that it isn’t and that we are both quite happy with how we are working things out. And it certainly isn’t the end of the Nog & az story.
So stay tuned. . .
Sounds like you guys have your heads on very very straight. I read about your deepening friendship as opposed to “capital R Relationship”, and thought to myself, “But, friendship is a relationship, isn’t it?” And you say you love each other very much. Perhaps as you allow each other plenty of space for solitude and growth you will find that you actually have a “capital R” relationship.
At any rate, I am so glad you are both happy.
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I agree with hmh. Congrats on moving forward together without messiness; you’re both lucky to live with someone special, whom you care for. And who you can live with without going crazy — or at least crazier. 😉
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The power to both of you
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You two look great together there. I hope you friendship keeps evolving though mutual trust, respect, and willingness to let go gracefully if it does come to that.
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sounds idyllic really 🙂
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Whilst I agree with the sentiments everyone else has expressed, I don’t know whether to be sad, that the relationship wasn’t what you had initially thought/hoped, or happy that you have been able to get to where you are now without bloodletting etc. Sorry, that was a hell of a sentence.
The important thing though is your feelings about it (both of you) – and you have expressed this as a positive az so I hope everything continues to work out as you would wish it.
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I’m speechless, but luckily I can still type. I hope you guys have continued happiness!
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I agree, hmh, that a Relationship must have a solid friendship going on in order for it to succeed. But other than that, there aren’t any ‘rules’ other than what two people feel they need in order to be more intimately involved and become life partners together. If those extra needs are acknowleged and sustained then a Relationship is possible.
“or at least crazier”
*gives Ben two smacks – one upside the head and the other a smoochy kiss on his cheek*
Thanks, FFE. 🙂
The ‘letting go’ of stuff was the hard part, ian, and sometimes continues to be so. But feeling so solid as friends helps a lot.
Not sure about ‘idyllic’ nursemyra, but it’s always better to be honest when it comes to loving someone, as I’m sure you’ll agree.
Don’t be sad, Johnny. It took us a long time to work this out and we are really quite happy with how things are now. It takes a lot of pressure off both of us so we can enjoy each other’s company now without feeling the need to be something more for each other that just wasn’t happening naturally.
Glad you can still type, Arnie. And thank you for your kind wishes for us. Truth is, we’re happier together now than we’ve ever been. But there was always the worry of ‘disappointing’ some friends who saw us as a perfect couple. I can think of a couple of friends who spent time with us here in Seville and who commented on this. Because Nog & I do get on great together and I think that shows.
This was also why we didn’t ‘go public’ until we had sorted it out for ourselves and were in a happy place together with our decision.
Meanwhile, neither Nog or myself have been terribly ‘lucky in love’ (or better said, with Relationships) so who knows? We still may end up being cosy friends together here at casa az for a very long time to come. Which is certainly not a bad thing, if a ‘Real Relationship’ never happens for us.
You also have to remember that we are both ‘of a certain age’ that can make living alone somewhat hazardous. A friend recently told me about falling down some stairs and cracking a bone in her back – because she lived alone there was nobody there to help her with the day-to-day stuff. This reminded me of when I severed the tendon in my finger last spring – I don’t know how I’d have managed without Nog. And he also doesn’t know how he’d manage without me, just in general. So it’s nice. Having a trusted friend to live with.
Really, it’s good news guys! Trust me. 🙂
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🙂
Trust you?
Of course
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Bless you both and be happy. I wish I was there to give you both a big bear hug. 🙂
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Wow, that would be fabulous. I happen to know that there is nothing quite so lovely as a bear hug from my favourite bear-hugging guy! Thanks, zoomer.
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thrilled that you’ve settled in a comfortable place – what you’ve written about your friendship captures the essence of intimate companionship! and in so many ways, that’s all i need… i currently extract this from several sources, i would be lovely to have it in a ‘one stop shop’! congratulations!
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and by the way, you are beautiful!
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I like that – one stop shopping friendly living together stuff. Well put, daisy!
No way am I beautiful – that was a pic taken on my 50th birthday after a fabulous lunch and mucho vino – cleverly hiding the double chin and all that.
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Thanks to everybody for the good wishes.
Az really has been my best friend these past three and a half years, and although things didn’t work out in some respects – too many expectations perhaps – I wouldn’t have missed that for anything.
And now that we can work on being best friends without some of those pressures who knows where that may take us? But I do know that I want us to be together to find out.
And you know you’re welcome back anytime you can make it, zoomer. I know that az is looking forward to her next bear hug.
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Ignore the protestations, daisyfae. She is beautiful.
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There’s not much left to say — a lovely account of a friendship. I wish you both all the best!
(And Nog, you ain’t half bad yourself!!)
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Best wishes to both of you, and good luck with your new life.
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Az: Remember our convo: TAKE THE COMPLIMENT AND RUN WITH IT, GIRL!
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Well, I’m just weighing in with my humble opinion that you are beautiful. Sometimes we cannot look in our own mirror objectively, and so discount the information that we receive from outside of our oh-so-critical heads.
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I wish you both the best of luck in this new stage of your relationship. Your friendship sounds wonderful.
And az, I’ll have to also chime in that you’re beautiful.
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Just wanted to say that posting this here … ‘going public’ … has actually been very good for both me and Nog.
Now it’s not only real for us at home, but we also know that our friends know that this is our ‘real situation’ and the supportive comments have been great.
We are both much more relaxed in our living together situation after having accepted that we can do this as best friends. Especially as neither of us wants to even imagine a life without the other in it … somehow.
It was a difficult step to take but now we’re very happy we did it and we’re glad our friends have been so supportive. Thanks everyone! 🙂
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I think you’ve been very brave in tackling this and wish you a long and happy friendship.
Much happiness to you both.
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Thanks honey … I know you’ve seen Nog and me together in person when you visited and you know what good friends we are. You also know about some of the difficulties we’ve had and you were always there to offer sound advice and support for both of us.
It’s been a helluva ride sometimes, but we never gave up on ‘us’ because we always knew there was something very special there to hold on to. And now we’ve found a way of doing it that suits us both very well. 🙂
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I’m happy for you things are taking shape and progressing.
People always claim that “coming out” is a relief 😉
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